I don’t know what the equivalent of clericalism is for religious but the sight and sound of religious congratulating themselves on ‘community’ and on a habit to whose rule they are a stranger is probably even more irritating than ignorant and irregular clergy pulling rank on the faithful outraged by their heresies and abuses. I have no idea what the standards of observance are or were in Ramsgate but just as the liberal clergy of the sixties, seventies and eighties had no right to destroy the parish churches built by the pennies of the poor since emancipation, so religious communities, especially contemplative communities, are deceived if they think their benefactors poured their substance into constructing the Abbeys of the second spring so they could be abandoned for a more comfortable life elsewhere. It is a scandal that the shrine of the Apostle of the English should be abandoned as if it belonged to the monks who live there instead of the monks belonging to it.
February 2, 2012
The Shame of St Augustine’s Ramsgate
Posted by aelianus under Modernism, Non Angli Sed Angeli[9] Comments
February 3, 2012 at 1:48 pm
I’d missed all this until your post here led me to Father Blake’s blog http://marymagdalen.blogspot.com/2012/01/ramsgate-impious-sale.html. Shocking and terribly, terribly sad.
February 3, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Well said
February 4, 2012 at 7:30 pm
As a former monk of Ramsgate I can share in your opinions. In recent years the monks havent valued Pugin or the EF of the Mass, so anything connected with either will be seen as an asset to be realised. It is tragic that the items are to be sold – and some of them dont even belong to the monks!! The callous disregard of the intentions of the donors of these items is breathtaking and scandalous.
February 6, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Here is how one Kent newspaper is spinning the sale:
http://www.thisiskent.co.uk/Kit-horror-goes-hammer/story-15121087-detail/story.html
A very, very bad business.
February 6, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Fr Mildew says
Disaster I regret to inform you that my efforts to prove the Hardman plate belong to the diocese of Southwark have failed. There is just not enough evidence to support a claim that the auction of the Hardman material be stopped. Fr Cuthbert will try to pursue the alienation of chalices which in some cases should have been referred to the Holy See. Otherwise unless the Prior of Chilworth can be persuaded to stop the whole thing…absolutely everything will be sold at auction !!! The diocese might (not definite at all) try and buy in some items…that is all.
February 6, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Paulinus Greenwood and his crew should hang their heads in shame! They have brought their Order and Church into disrepute and I hope that Rome is fully apprised.
I have emailed the Abbot President.
February 7, 2012 at 2:12 pm
There is absolutely no doubt that the Hardman plate dating from before 1860 belongs to St Augustine’s church and not the abbey. Any items dating from before Pugin’s death in 1852 are convered by a Trust Deed he set up in November 1846 to prevent alienation of lands, buildings, ornaments. vessels and vestments. The existence of the deed is well-known, and it printed in full in volume III of Margaret Belcher’s edited Letters of A.W.N. Pugin. The sale should at least be halted until provenance and legal ownership can be ascertained.
Michael Fisher, Archivist for the John Hardman Company
February 7, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Thank you, Michael, I hope that Paulinus reads your contribution. It might persuade him not to continue with this scandal.
February 7, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Michael, Do contact the auctioneers!